DISCUSSION
We
received mail presenting a discussion on copyrights
after receiving condolences for Mr Stout concerning
the files kept at the Internet
Cemetery at
the politics
department
of this site. One may send an e-mail from
the
feedback page.
INTERNET
CEMETERY
Dear
Webmaster,
Your
site was registered at the Site: Books for
happiness and Success by James Harvey
Stout . This site will be terminated from
the first of februari 2000. The page where
your site is listed called Websites Of
Pschology and Personal Growth has together
with the rest of the site been buried at
The Internet Cemetery at:
http://internet-cemetery.virtualave.net/
The site
is kept as it is out of respect for the
deceased webmaster and is still available
in its original form. Later on the
site-corpse will -with lacking public
interest- be ' cremated' and archived in a
zip-file with a 'tombstone' reference. The
motto for the cemetery is:
" Those
who cannot remember the past are condemned
to repeat it."
The
Internet Cemetery is a new free service
and the site of Mr Stout is the first to
be archived there. For more info please
come and visit the deceased to pay your
respect at the buried-page of the
Cemetery.
Please
change your bookmarks and/or other links
to the resting place of the Harvey Stout
pages where your site is linked
up:
former
address:http://www.james-harvey-stout.com/link-psy-a.htm
new
address:
http://internet-cemetery.virtualave.net/h/link-psy-a.htm
Or to
his mainpage:
former
address:
http://www.james-harvey-stout.com/
new
address:
http://internet-cemetery.virtualave.net/h/
This
service is offered to you by The Order
(http://www.introweb.nl/~theorder), a
non-profit participation-platform for the
science, spirituality and politics of an
alternative time-consciousness.
For The
Order: T.H.E. Servant
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Apr
15 2001
Name:
Sarah Miriam Stout
Replyemail:
Athena194@hotmail.com
Comments:
It means so much to me that you have kept
my father's works up. I'm so glad that I
have a place to see his writing and that
other people may see it too. I don't quite
know what to say, except thank you.
Sincerely,
Sarah
Stout
Daughter
of James Harvey Stout
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Apr 19
2001
replyemail
= taustinne@aol.com
comments
= To whom this may concern:
Hi, my
name is Tracy Meyer. I am doing a
mythology project on Shoulao, a Chinese
mythological figure. I have found
information on a website by James Harvey
Stout. However, I don't know the copyright
date on the website
(http://internet-cemetery.virtualave.net/h/myth-cul.htm).
Please
reply back before Friday, April 20, 2001,
because my project is due on April 24,
2001. I would greatly appreciate your kind
assistance in this project.
Sincerely,
Tracy A.
Meyer
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We
couldn't answer this mail in time, but the
pages of Mr Stout say:
"All
of the material on this website is now
free. It is now in the public domain.
Please take whatever you want: You may
download the digital books, and share them
with other people. You may copy the pages
(and the digital books) to put onto your
own website. You may use the chapters (or
just the ideas) in your own books. You may
use the songs and poems, if you want them.
The
chapters of the books were not registered
at a copyright office. Some of the songs
and poems were registered at the U.S.
Copyright Office, but I now release the
copyright; you may use the songs and poems
without paying royalties.
I
have been very ill. By the time you read
this, I will be dead. I believe that my
ideas are worthwhile, and I hope that my
work was not in vain. I wish you well.
I
have paid for this website to remain
online until February, 2000. But I don't
know whether Virtualis (the hosting
service) will honor a contract with
someone who has died, so please do not
delay in taking the material that you
want."
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From:
Nathan Sassover
<nsassover@earthlink.net>
Date:
Tue, 29 May 2001 11:51:07 -0700
To:
condolences.stout@kozmail.com
Subject:
James Harvey Stout
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Our
company took over the James Harvey Stout
site last year from Virtualis in
StudioCity, Ca. We own the domains,
James-Harvey-Stout and
JamesHarveyStout.com and intend to carry
on the dissemination of his work thru
these sites. Could you please help in
working w/us in assuring his work
continues to be available to those
individuals and sites linking to you for
hispublications.
We would
like to resolve this asap so that Stout's
work is not in the 'cemetary' but lives on
thru our efforts. We look forward to
hearing from you so that readers can
actually find the work at the official
sites for James Harvey Stout.
Sincerely,
Nathan
Sassover
JamesHarveyStout.com
323 850
3782-direct tel
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From:
"Maureen Monette"
<m.monette@home.com>
Date:
Sat, 19 May 2001 02:52:30 -0400
To:
<condolences.stout@kozmail.com>
Subject:
Re: condolences James Harvey
Stout
Can
anyone out there send me personal
information about James Harvey Stout? None
of his e-books give any info about
him.I've searched in vain and would like
to know a bit about him. Where did he
live? How old was he when he died? Did he
leave a family behind? Where did he work?
etc.
Much appreciated, Maureen
Monette
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Date:
Sat, 19 May 2001 00:55:22 -0400
To:
<condolences.stout@kozmail.com>
Subject:
Re: condolences James Harvey
Stout
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Just
came across the works of James Harvey
Stout this evening. I feel as if I've
wandered into a wondrous goldmine. What a
precious man. I was so touched by his
final words and gift of all he was to the
world via the "public
domain."
Thank
you James. YOU have helped me already. And
I'm so glad your words have been preserved
on the Internet Cemetery for all to
consult and learn from. Thank you also for
your gifts of poetry and music. Your
family must be so proud of you.
And
thanks to virtualave.net for preserving
these great works.
Maureen Monette, Ottawa,
Canada
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Date:
Tue, 8 May 2001 20:13:47 EDT
To:
condolences.stout@kozmail.com
Subject:
Re: condolences James Harvey
Stout
Thanks!
for maintaining this sight, so that Mr.
Stout's work can continue to be shared
with the world. I was in the process of
printing his books when the sight stop
responding. Do you know if Mr. Stout was a
member of Eckankar?
Thanks
again?
Kathy
Krantz
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Date:
Tue, 8 May 2001 20:13:47 EDT
To:
condolences.stout@kozmail.com
Subject:
Re: condolences James Harvey
Stout
Thanks!
for maintaining this sight, so that Mr.
Stout's work can continue to be shared
with the world. I was in the process of
printing his books when the sight stop
responding. Do you know if Mr. Stout was a
member of Eckankar?
Thanks
again?
Kathy
Krantz
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Date:
Thu, 11 Jan 2001 21:39:31
To:
condolences.stout@kozmail.com
Subject:
Re: condolences James Harvey
Stout
Hi,
I'm
married to a relative of "Jimmy". His
passing was a profound loss to his family
and everyone is deeply saddened by it.
Are
these condolence messages going to his
family memebers? How did you come across
his work? Are you a family member?
Thank
you.
TomZ
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Dear
adherent of Mr Stout,
The
Internet cemetery has now moved to
http://theorderoftime.com/politics/cemetery/
From
there the work of James Harvey Stout can
be found.
Webmaster
the Order of Time
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from:
Nathan Sassover
<nsassover@earthlink.net>
Date:
Mon, 06 Aug 2001 11:31:47 -0700
To: the
Order of Time
Onderwerp:
Re: Internet Cemetery has
moved!
Could
you please provide me w/ your fax number
and address?
Thanx
Nathan
Sassover
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dear Mr
sassover
We have
no fax address and operate solely by
e-mail. Our address we keep secret against
unwanted mailings. If you state for which
purpose you need our address we can give
it by exception.
Webmaster
the Order of Time
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From:
Nathan Sassover
<nsassover@earthlink.net>
Date:
Wed, 08 Aug 2001 10:04:14 -0700
To: The
Order of Time
Subject:
Re: our address...
We are
required as a result of becoming the
official source for the work of James
Harvey Stout, to send formal notice as
well as legal disclosure with respect to
the matters related to the work of Mr.
Stout, which we are requesting you delete
from your site.
The
intellectual property issues are in legal
evaluation and our work over the past two
years is in conjunction with those most
familiar with Mr. Stout, and it is in your
interest to avoid any further exposure, we
ask you comply with our requests.
Please
provide your address so we may send the
formal notice as is required.
Not
providing this information will in no way
affect our ability to prevail and further
pursue you as a result. We would strongly
advise you recognize the issues
surrounding this matter and read the
letters we will forward to you.
In the
absence of your cooperation, we will be
forced to make direct contact with the
service providers who are hosting Internet
Cemetery.
Sincerely,
Nathan
Sassover
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Date:
Wed, 08 Aug 2001
Dear
Sir,
We have
forwarded your mail to the family of Mr
stout. They are the legal heirs and own
the copyrights. We think you've been had
by Virtualis selling the rights. You only
bought the domainname, not the rights on
the contents of the site. You will also
have to pay the family of mr Stout for any
profits you make and you cannot block any
non-profit services, like ours, to this
work. There are more people engaged in
this we know. We are not the only ones.
Mr. stout himself determinded it thus. You
have no legal ground for your claim thus.
We will respect as the last word in this
what the family says about this, and they
are perfectly happy and thankful thus far,
that no one exploits the Stout material,
but that it is kept in love. So respect
the dead we'd say. We are determined to
remember them and live in peace with it.
That is our mission. If you still insist,
you will have to contact a laywer. When he
sends us a legally sound report on the
matter disproving or overruling Mr Stouts
last will, as published on the Net, then,
and only then, with also the family of Mr
Stout behind you, we wil
concede.
Contacting
our sponsors will not help you out as
there is no official court order of
copyright, legal proof of your
representing the heirs or other say in
this from your side. As far as we have
experienced, and received mail, everybody
is perfectly happy with our service, and
thus we will maintain it by principle. And
if you manage to intimidate a provider of
us into negative action, we will simply
upload with another. Long live the free
information Highway. Good day.
Webmaster
The Order of Time
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from:
"Sarah S"
<athena194@hotmail.com>
Date:
Thu, 09 Aug 2001 06:58:33 +0000
To: the
Order of Time
Subject:
Re: copyright issue on your fathers
work
Thank
you so much for informing me of this
issue. I'm a bit outraged that someone
actually tried to claim copyrights on my
dad's work (though I love your
response--kind of a slap in the face,
really ). At the time of his death, the
notice that all of his work would become
public domain was posted all over his
site. As for this person working "in
conjunction with those most familiar with
Mr. Stout," he seemed to skip over the
author's daughter. Real bright. So anyway,
I am very much in support of your actions.
It means so much to me that you are
preserving my father's work. I did not
know him well, and I have not had a chance
to see much of his writing. Having this
available to me is very special, and I'm
glad that you take this service so
seriously. I suppose one question I would
like to ask is how long his writing will
be available on your site. Anyway, thank
you so much!
Sarah
S.
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Dear
Sarah
Virtual
Avenue cancelled the Internet Cemetery
account. They gave no reasons, but we
presume it was because of the fact that
they do not permit storage of files. Well,
to our opinion their banner could be seen
clearly enough with all pages free
accessible. Is a deceased webmaster
'storage' from now on? We don't think so.
The knowledge is as much alive as their
own soul is. Maybe Mr Sassover succeeded
in lying to them about the copyrights that
i would have violated. But that's all
politics.
So we
continue with bravenet.com where your
fathers work is now stored. The
music-files though are kept accessible
from elsewhere as bravenet did not support
RA-files or zipfiles. They have a better
spirit though of respecting the content of
their members and also their banner policy
is less obtrusive. The quick downloads in
zip-format of the books are thus not
available at the moment. To protect the
Internet Cemetery itself against the whims
of commerce we have taken the site into
our base-domain theorderoftime.com under
de department of politics. Thus we will
maintain the Cemetery Itself as long as we
can maintain the site. I'm not over 50,
thus that might take a few decades at
least. Your fathers work though we may
have to relocate so now and then since we
depend on the goodwill of sponsors to keep
up the service. Sponsors tend to be as
said whimsical and unstable in their
serving the Mammon. We ourselves, although
being a .com are purely non-profit and do
not engage in commercial business
depending on private support only. There
is little we can do about the caprices of
commerce. We simply have to learn to live
with it lest we find a way to have it on a
server of our own. But in the long run we
don't think that is feasable. Archiving is
a major task even just archiving what is
in our own interest, just like any church
having its own graveyard of loyals. Maybe
the government will someday have a law to
protect the work of deceased webmasters.
Someday indeed also our site must end.
Archiving or respecting the dead is also a
duty of state after all.
Wishing
you all happiness,
Webmaster
the Order of Time
N.B. To
keep our visitors informed about all this,
we consider to publish, unless you object
of course, these mailings on our
discussions page under
information.
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