DISCUSSION
From
the 18th of januari 2001 we started this exchange of
views on' Consciousness and Time'. Also the
Association of The Order of Time was discussed. Anyone
wishing to respond to the links and/or these letters
may send an e-mail from the
feedback-page.
01/18/01
Gunars
Berzins
Consciousness
and time
I think
that studies of time, and particularly
studies such as Husserl's 'Onthe
phenomenology of the consciousness of
internal time (1893-1917)' are merely
'beating about the bush'.
Psychoanalytically they are displacements.
What should be studied is the nature of
consciousness with respect to time, and
not time per se. I have explained my view
more fully in a short paper at
http://members.aol.com/GunarsB/addendum.html
G.
B.
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01/18/01
Dear
Sir,
We
wholly agree with your vision that the
single study of abstract concepts and
speculative schemes of philosophy on time
will not contribute anything if they are
not connected to a practical proposition
of putting the concept of time into
practice and thus make it an active part
of the living soul its consciousness of
cyclic time. To the dual nature of
time-consciousness we subscribe to the
view of contrasting natural consciousness
with cultural timeconsciousness of which
philosophical speculation can be a part as
long as it motivates the
practice.
T.H.E.
Servant, webmaster The Order of
Time
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01/19/01
Dear
T.H.E.
It's
nice to meet like-minded people. The world
feels less lonely. Since you are writing
on behalf of a group, or perhaps as an
individual member of a group, I would be
very interested in the general orientation
/ world view of your group.
Sincerely
Gunars
Berzins
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01/21/01
05
Dear Mr.
Berzins
I like
to let you know as a friend of the
Filognostic Association - since one year-,
that I have appreciated reading your
thoughts concerning time. Also, that I
agree with the answer on the subject by
T.H.E., even more because I have found out
that this for me turned out the proper,
holiest way to appreciate time and all
aspects concerning time. Otherwise there
is no real time. If time would be just a
clock, why bother? To my own amazement I
have found out that time has everything to
do with appreciating the total of the
Lord's creation. Only by understanding the
meaning of real time one can develop the
right consciousness. My personal opinion:
What is more important than ariving at
this consciousness? And that brings total
happiness, which is the real, deepest
quality of a human being.
Your
friend. Marja
Langkamp
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01/19/01
Dear Mr
Gunars Berzins
You are
welcome. We indeed form a kind of
association called the Filognostic
Association. Filognosy means love for
knowledge, more than developing new
concepts. At the guests/friendspage under
info of our site you can find a
friends-list and subscribe your name
there. It has no further consequence than
being available from your own personal
commitment. We send no newsletters but for
a new years greeting. At that page you
will also find the social definition of
the association. We hope you can find
yourself in the articles and other
literatures offered at The Order of Time
and hope you will be inspired for
contributing further on the subject.
for The
Order of Time: T.H.E. Servant
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08/25/01
Dear
Sirs,
By
happenstance I fell upon this thread
discusing time. Actually, I was
researching "Psychonomy" through the 'The
Order Of Time' string. However, my first
impression when in discourse about
anything as abstract as time is: are we in
agreement about that which we are
discussing? If I may go to the heart of
the matter, when discussing God, for
instance, it is fruitless to spend ANY
time at all on the topic if we cannot
bridge the gap of what we think God might
or might not be. Otherwise, we would waste
our time arguing about subtlties.
In the
case of time, the discoursees in question
would have to give their views, or at
least their impressions, of what 'time'
means to them. I don't mean to be a
Speaker Of the House, but 'time' being
only a clock to one person may all he or
she needs to contribute the ultimate
answer on the matter. We best not
undermine that. The first lesson in
understanding the intelligence of anyone
or anything is not to think that it isn't
intelligent. I apologize for directly
referring to that example, for the writer
in question.
I
greatly appreciate time as being an
abstract, undefinable outside of it's
parameters (like trying to describe the
color 'red' without using the word red or
any of it's synonyms), that allows me to
live my life in a way that I can
understand for me. Outside of that, what
is there? Unless I haven't "tapped" into
my brain fully, I cannot know what others
are thinking or feeling, and thus can only
refer to myself. And how much time does
that take?
Scott
Rinke
rinke1971@yahoo.com
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09 06
2001
Dear Mr.
Rinke
The very
concept of The Order of Time is intent on
respecting each and everyone's idea of
time as if it would concern the concept of
God or the person of Lordship itself. To
agree about the 'Absolute of Time' is
always subject to the definition, as you
say the parameters, assigned by paradigm
to the subject. It is an ideal all to
agree, but we see the inevitable of the
selfrealization process of each individual
person or culture to arrive at a
satisfactory and workable definition of
the concept of time. Our platform at the
one hand serves the purpose of
communication about these realizations,
while at the other hand we dare to propose
for a comprehensive holistic paradigm that
would account for each of these individual
( and/or subcultural) realizations of the
order of time (see the designs for the
Tempometer at
http://theorderoftime/science/tempometer.html)
including its inherent morality, religion
or spirituality (see under personal/vedic
literature e.g.).
Webmaster
The Order of Time
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Date:
07/14/02 12:04:50 AM
Time,
consciousness, unconsciousness.
Mr.Langkamp
wrote:
You are
closer to the truth about Time then anyone
else here as far as i can see. The
Original Time is No Time.
How many
dimensions do your Time Theory's have?
Regards,
Angel!
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Date:
07/18/02 09:35:01 PM
Beste
Engel,
De tijd
is bewust, niet onbewust, dat wil zeggen
dat ik de tijd zie als een dimensie van de
Natuur. Als je de Tijd kunt zien als de
Schepper, die dus de Tijd in beweging
heeft gezet, stuurt en beheert, dan is er
geen sprake meer van onbewustheid.
Onbewustheid regeert als ik de tijd niet
waardeer als het levende, de
oorspronkelijke persoon. Kijk ik op mijn
klok, dan wordt ik hieraan herinnerd. Heb
ik die klok niet OP TIJD staan, verval ik
in 'armoede', verveling, saaiheid,
onbewustheid etc. De waardering van die
natuur en dus de natuurlijke tijd,
bestudering van het belangrijkste
geschrift wat betreft die tijd
(http://srimadbhagavatam.org, zie o.a.
Canto 3, Hoofdstuk 11) geeft een direkte
inzage in dit grootse van de Tijd en
brengt (wereld)vrede en vrede met Zichzelf
teweeg!
Marja
(Filognosie
= liefde voor de Kennis)
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07/19/02
Dear
Angel!
Modern
science speaks of the union of space-time
as a continuum with relativistic
properties. But dimensions to time there
are as many as you want is the original
position. Normally we consider time the
fourth dimension to three dimensional
spaced out matter, but from
the
vedic source we know spacetime in (seven)
layers, kosa's or
dvîpa's
that extend outward covering one another.
Realms upon realms of existence in
space-time. Through these dimensions
would, as some suggest, the flying saucers
for instance fly with visitors from
parallel worlds, worlds with more or less
the same frequency, composition and
relation to a sun in space-time. This
latter more advanced view of time
dimensions though we reserve for later
when our culture is more time-conscious in
its policies than now. So first, let us
recognize the different aspects of the
timedimension itself: its linear and
cyclic nature, its cultural and natural
order and, relating to nature, its
reference to the position of the moon, the
sun and the stars that could be called
subdimensions of natural time
consciousness.
N.B.
consult for time-dimensions also
this
article
for The
Order of Time: T.H.E. Servant
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07/22/02
02:28:07 PM
That
game is surtanly a challenge! Damm!
I know
it's normal for me too go fast, faster
then everybody else...(what happends when
an old soul is stuck in a young body) It's
normal for me to start in lesson 5, else i
get bored. I should give you guy's me
Time, really. I only use diffrent words,
but the principe is the same...just how
about those 7 layers?, 'cos we got stuck
at three main layers, and the rest is a
(euhm: knot van wol, snap je...allemaal
kleine draadjes Tijd die elkaar ergens
raken...) Sorry for swapping language.
Might be speaking english me whole life,
buttah, dutch is my primary, although i
express myself better in english again,
pffff. lol.
(oh
besides, did that friend thing, but me
3009.org page isn't mine, yet (have to get
the domain from a friend, and build the
page, so, not yet there to see)
Hagenaars.net is his, but i typ on it.
Just explaining to create order in chaos.
Iee!
Love and
Light, Angel!
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08/17/02
Dear
Angel,
Those
seven layers pertain to the transcendence
as described in the eightfold of
astanga-yoga: gradually step for step,
with a certain vow, a certain practice of
study and sacrifice, one tries to control
ones body, regulating the breath, turn the
mind inwards, concentrate with the help of
mantra's or yantra's, meditate and reach
absorption and insight in the superior of
the soul above all duality. That is the
purpose. Without these seven, or eight
layers one would be stuck in the
identity-system with no chance for an
equal vision. In transcendence is the
equality attained. Not so much in the
identity game on itself. Think of the
indian caste-system. This transcendence or
loyalty to the original order or authentic
person over time, is the essence of all
reform, political, societal, or religious.
Without it we are false preachers with
indeed lots of loose ends that don't add
up, as you say. The tree modes of ego,
self and soul are the different ways to
deal with the divinity like the three
Hindu-gods or the christian father, son,
spirit division. Each division on itself
will not do. The styles indeed correlate
to experience as you say. Just skip a few
missions and have it as challenging as you
want. The full complexity of all
dimensions must be faced to be able to
choose. Only then is there an acceptable
concept of liberation and
emancipation.
Yours,
Anand Aadhar
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04/7/02
01:31:38 PM
Subject:
Re: Re: Re: Welcome at the
association
I been
wondering how and when Mankind began to
observe 12 midnight as the dawn of a new
day as observed in the bible when sunset
to sunset was regarded as a day
Thanks
Richard
Dawson ,
email
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08/17/02
Dear
Richard
It must
have been practical: setting the beginning
of the day to sunrise gives trouble in the
higher latitudes. Thus noon timing is more
universal and thus we begin the day
midnight.
THE
Servant
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